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08 September 2005

"Please do not feed the troll"


What is a troll? Trolls are often ugly, obnoxious creatures bent on wickedness and mischief. The image of the troll under the bridge emphasizes the rootedness of the troll in a physical environment. An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. A troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages. She, or he, tries to start arguments and upset people. Internet trolls are people who fish for other people's confidence and, once found, exploit it.

Some trolls they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). The anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

Trolls are various in nature and the type of damage they do ranges greatly, such as:
  • Cause irritation to others
  • Disrupt an email list or online group
  • Build false hopes
  • Commit crimes

What is a troll?

The term "troll" can mean a number of different things, but in essence, a troll is a person who aims to have 'pleasure' at your expense. There are two main types of trolls:

  1. people who have the psychological need to feel good by making others feel bad.
    This is a sort of "psycho troll", whose deception involves deceiving themselves as well as others. Such people may use their real names on the internet, and they may not even realize that they are "trolling" because it is all subconscious.
  2. people who pretend to be someone that they are not - they create personae that you think are real, but they know is fictitious.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

Some people are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Posters may leave an internet community because they do not want to expose themselves to abuse. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls cause people to become bitter. An angry interchange between a troll and her victims can poison previously friendly interactions. Trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism can elicit a ferocious backlash.

Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down. However, when your average "keyboard warrior" doesn't calm down... she may be a troll. If the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, there is not much you can do except ignore them. When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

Perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle.

Trolls often times protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. While we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbor has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. In the same respect, if a site owner/operator tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain.

Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. WHY? Who knows why. Some people are just evil. There are people in this world who enjoy destruction. Some enjoy murdering children. Some enjoy sexually abusing children. Yes, these things happen in our world today and we cannot fathom WHY someone would do any of those things..... we also cannot understand why people do other things that hurt people... but when you say, "No one would do that" - don't be so sure.

Are you dealing with Trolls?

Avoid being deceived by trolls! Before you invest your trust in someone you should verify their bona fide nature from multiple known, reliable and independent sources. Beware of off-list emails that praise and flatter, or seem to evoke sympathy. Beware of emails that are an attempt to attack others or "rally the troops". Beware of emails from someone claiming to have been victimized by an internet site or newsgroup. If you feel yourself beginning to like someone, ask first: how much do I know about them from real life sources?


9 Comments:

  • At 5:51 PM, Blogger ~ Tarra ~ said…

    After erasing this horrible, nasty comment, I decided that it is a PRIME example of WHO this person is and how messed up her thinking is. So... here it is. I am putting it back.
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    I guess this was a BAIT.. so I am taking it.
    Let's get all these nice points out- since you like to feel you are exposing someone, I don't have anything to hide....
    - It is me, Georgia a/k/a/ NUNYA
    - Yes- I did email Tulin and tell her she was an inspiration to me, and that I was excited about the books (I was SUPER-excited off the initial 'infomercial' she sent to PCOSA- and HAD to email her to see what was up.. I mean we ALL were very much excited that SOMETHING supposedly was working!!)
    - The cult post- initially WAS NOT ME... But you know what- screw it.. I believe it now- so fine- lets just put that one on the list too..
    - Yep- Ian DID send me free books... that was very nice of HIM. I came to find out more was underlying all of this- and that's when I started to question some things.. that's it.. it wasn't any ONE person in particular..
    ANYWAY.
    This is all besides the point NOW it IS very personal.. since it is your blog and your 'tell it like it is' time and all of that- of COURSE you can do what you want- who would deny you?? Heck I EXPECT it.. and I CAN take alot of stuff..however,you equate me with murders and child molesters?!?!?!?! WOW- talk about libel as heck.. FYI- for the reader-
    THE EMAILS THAT TARRA QUOTES IN THIS POST ARE MINE EXCEPT FOR THE "CLEAR VOICE" SEXUAL POSTS she quoted there... why would such a Godly person put things like this on her Holy website??
    You suceeded in HIGHLY offending me.. which I am sure makes your miserable day... Let's get really personal here.. I WAS MOLESTED AS A CHILD.. and this is the LOWEST thing you could compare me to.. so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
    I signed off of all the PCOSA stuff- so you don't have to see, or hear from me that way anymore.. I am so sure you think you succeeded in SLAYING the TROLL.. way to go!! But KNOW this.. there is a saying 'you get what you give out, and you will be judged on how you judge." You went as low as you could- and well- I guess I should apologize to you- if I hurt you that much to make you call me a murderer and child molester.. why not wish death on my and my family?? Same difference. What comes around goes back around.. I don't think God would have come at me with such names... God is TRUTHFUL and HATES the sin- but loves us all.. so I really hope you quit standing behind how you are trying to be so Christian and all.. it's FALSE.
    The truth, you say is ultimately accepted, because it's proven as being self-evident.. you are right about that.. it is self-evident that you are a vindictive, remorseless, fence walker, that has to personally cut people down- which again- I can hear your response now "IT's MY BLOG- YOU CAME HERE.." Yep- your right- I should have stayed far away from the wrath of such a gun slinger such as yourself..
    You were WRONG for calling ANYONE those things.. very wrong. I dont' care how you justify it..

    Didn't Jesus say "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.." Yeah He did

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    Posted by Georgia to TARRA'S BLOG ~ RADICALLY HONEST!! at 9/08/2005 02:53:01 PM

     
  • At 6:39 PM, Blogger ~ Tarra ~ said…

    And now, I will respond... and this is it. I will not respond again, ever.

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    I guess this was a BAIT.. so I am taking it.
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    TARRA: Bait?? This is MY BLOG. GO AWAY, STAY AWAY. I DON'T WANT YOU HERE. If I was baiting you I would email it to you instead of posting it on blog!
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    Let's get all these nice points out- since you like to feel you are exposing someone,
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    Actually, I "feel" like I am posting on my blog all about MY thoughts and feelings... If I really wanted to "expose" anyone I would do it in a much more public place... but, I think you're the only one who has made the statement that you want to "expose" anyone.
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    I don't have anything to hide....
    - It is me, Georgia a/k/a/ NUNYA
    - Yes- I did email Tulin and tell her she was an inspiration to me, and that I was excited about the books (I was SUPER-excited off the initial 'infomercial' she sent to PCOSA- and HAD to email her to see what was up.. I mean we ALL were very much excited that SOMETHING supposedly was working!!)
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    IS working. IS working for many people. You didn't even try, how would YOU know?
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    - The cult post- initially WAS NOT ME...
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    WHAT are you talking about? WHO are you trying to fool? It wasn't YOU? Give me a break. That is a flat out lie and you know it. It was also not taken out of context. It was taken right off the comments made on a blog about what a crock someone thinks A NEW DAWN is. Someone who BTW claims to be a Christian, since you're standing in judgement, and has all kinds of horrible stuff on that site. YOUR comment was taken WORD FOR WORD as you wrote it.
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    But you know what- screw it.. I believe it now- so fine- lets just put that one on the list too..
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    You believe it now? How convenient that someone else committed fraud and you now agree with what they said. HA!
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    - Yep- Ian DID send me free books... that was very nice of HIM. I came to find out more was underlying all of this- and that's when I started to question some things.. that's it.. it wasn't any ONE person in particular..
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    ALOT of people have questioned things WITHOUT calling anyone or any group a "crazy cult" publically.
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    ANYWAY.
    This is all besides the point NOW it IS very personal..
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    what, its only personal now that you're out of the closet? Now that I have defended myself against the claims you made elsewhere against me? It wasn't PERSONAL when you tried to get me FIRED from my job?? OK.... so it shouldn't have been personal for me then I guess??? Where do you get off attacking me in SEVERAL arenas and then turning around and saying it only got personal NOW?? YOU are delusional!
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    since it is your blog and your 'tell it like it is' time and all of that- of COURSE you can do what you want- who would deny you?? Heck I EXPECT it.. and I CAN take alot of stuff..however,you equate me with murders and child molesters?!?!?!?! WOW- talk about libel as heck..
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    I didn't equate you with anyone like that. Libel? you're so full of crap it's unbelieveable. I never called you anything like that. You're reading skills leave A LOT to be desired. You seem to get out of what you read whatever you WANT to get out of it, rather than what was actually MEANT and written.
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    FYI- for the reader-
    THE EMAILS THAT TARRA QUOTES IN THIS POST ARE MINE EXCEPT FOR THE "CLEAR VOICE" SEXUAL POSTS she quoted there... why would such a Godly person put things like this on her Holy website??
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    HUH??? What are you talking about? Go to A CLEAR VOICE and read all the nasty sexual comments that are there. I NEVER SAID you wrote any of them. I said they're THERE and that people LIKE YOU are calling THAT site a reliable source of information. I have never claimed that my site is a "Holy website". I only claim to be RADICALLY HONEST. If you can't take it, and read it LIKE IT IS, GO AWAY. I did NOT write the sexual stuff. I only copied it (along with YOUR comment from that site) to point out where you're getting YOUR information. Yeah, YOU should be pointing fingers!
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    You suceeded in HIGHLY offending me.. which I am sure makes your miserable day...
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    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. You can call ME anything you want and try to make me lose my job and when I fight back I am HIGHLY OFFENDING YOU? Go cry to someone who cares.
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    Let's get really personal here.. I WAS MOLESTED AS A CHILD.. and this is the LOWEST thing you could compare me to.. so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
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    I never said ANYTHING about you being a molester. YOU'RE SICK and apparently need help with your reading comprehension. But, nice of you to try to make me out to look like some horrible person. You think I was supposed to KNOW that you were molested as a child and I was supposed to KNOW that you would misread and misunderstand what I wrote? I was supposed to KNOW that YOU would be on MY blog reading and, I was supposed to be sure everything was just so it wouldn't offend you???????????? Well, alrighty then. How do you know that I wasn't molested as a child??? How do you know that you didn't just "HIGHLY offend" me by making such an erronous statement about my blog?? Get real, and grow up. I didn't libel you and I didn't say ANYTHING regarding YOU being any of that.
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    I signed off of all the PCOSA stuff- so you don't have to see, or hear from me that way anymore..
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    ??????? why would you think I care where you go???? I preferred you STAYED AWAY from my blog. THIS is where I don't want to see you anymore. If you're so concerned about where I have to see you why wouldn't you just stay the hell away from HERE???????????? Get real. And STOP dragging that organization into this. You are demonizing a group that has never, ever done anything but HELP thousands and thousands of women. YOU are hurting people. STOP!
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    I am so sure you think you succeeded in SLAYING the TROLL.. way to go!! But KNOW this.. there is a saying 'you get what you give out, and you will be judged on how you judge." You went as low as you could-
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    Uh, yeah, if you can't read or comprehend what I wrote! YES that would be LOW. But I didn't DO THAT and I would never even consider calling you a child molester. GOOD LORD, you are SOOOOOO off base. That is INSANITY! And YOU are the one who is constantly accusing me of being a bad Christian, or, whatever??? YOU seem to be the one standing in judgement here??

    I will tell you WHO I answer to. I answer to myself and my own conscience. I work EVERYDAY to help people. EVERYDAY. And I have for YEARS. For no pay of any kind, no thanks of any kind (the opposite actually, I have to deal with trolls and jerks LIKE YOU). Thank God I can live with myself.

    What comes around goes around??? I sure hope so!!!!

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    and well- I guess I should apologize to you- if I hurt you that much to make you call me a murderer and child molester..
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    HOLY CRAP are you SCREWED UP!! I never, ever said ANYTHING like that about YOU. YOU are really really delusional!
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    why not wish death on my and my family?? Same difference.
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    I would never do that to anyone. You don't need to attempt to make me look like someone who WOULD wish anything like that on anyone. It isn't going to work.
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    What comes around goes back around.. I don't think God would have come at me with such names...
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    and neither did I...
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    God is TRUTHFUL and HATES the sin- but loves us all..
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    OK.
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    so I really hope you quit standing behind how you are trying to be so Christian and all.. it's FALSE.
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    really? and you're not casting judgement? You have NO IDEA who I am, that is very very clear to me and to ANYONE who knows me.
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    The truth, you say is ultimately accepted, because it's proven as being self-evident.. you are right about that.. it is self-evident that you are a vindictive, remorseless, fence walker, that has to personally cut people down-
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    How many people have you publically posted horrible things about and NOT had them defend themselves? You targeted me when I had done NOTHING to you. NOTHING. I was flabbergasted when I read the things you said about me. I had never, ever said an unkind word about you, ever, until I was put in the position of defending myself. Yes, sometimes it is best to turn the other cheek.... I tried that... (I am sure you forgot all about that though, how convenient for you). You can not continue to attack me and just think that I will not rebut. That is just crazy. RESPONDING to you're poison with the truth is NOT vindictiveness. Get a websters honey.
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    which again- I can hear your response now "IT's MY BLOG- YOU CAME HERE.." Yep- your right- I should have stayed far away from the wrath of such a gun slinger such as yourself..
    You were WRONG for calling ANYONE those things.. very wrong. I dont' care how you justify it..
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    I don't... because I didn't! You are WRONG for saying I did something I never did.
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    Didn't Jesus say "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.." Yeah He did
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    Never said I wasn't praying for YOU, everday, did I?
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    Posted by Georgia to TARRA'S BLOG ~ RADICALLY HONEST!! at 9/08/2005 02:53:01 PM
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    I have never said your name. I have always kept that to myself. Good for you to be so honest and FINALLY say who you really are. I am here exposing my whole life to people and you attack me anonymously... What does that say about you? Good for you, though, that you finally are able to say it loud and proud.

     
  • At 6:45 PM, Blogger ~ Tarra ~ said…

    I think I am FEEDING THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ARGH.

     
  • At 9:07 AM, Blogger Marie said…

    tsk......tsk.......I think it is really cruel how you changed up your original post and then act as if Georgia is the crazy person.....
    Why change the post if you are so innocent? You must be really bored or you just thrive on all of the drama. Read your definition of a troll it is amazing how much you fit most of the definition. But who am I to say? Kermit says I have lousy reading comprehension skills. Wow you and your New Dawn buddies are so genius at coming up with names for other people and pointing fingers. Troll and obsessed! WOW…… So, what word would you use to describe a cult like group that BASHES others who are against their group, name calls, focuses on the negative and can't let things go?? What would you call a group that doesn't allow its members to form their own opinions or change their minds? You just might be becoming what you claim to despise. I find it hilarious that you mention God and Joel Osteen and even write out bible verses and then come up with a post like this. It has become very clear where your heart and thoughts lie. SO, go read your bible or watch Joel on Television and pretend to walk the good walk.

     
  • At 9:48 AM, Blogger Tulin said…

    WOW! Marie, I know you want to try and make Tarra a villian, but you are really reaching. It is the same post with pictures added. I think your attacks are very sad. This is Tarra's blog, and she is entitled to call someone an Asshole on her own blog if she wanted to. She hasn't, but I can't say that she shouldn't have.

    I think you just haven't realized the truth, Marie, of what you are dealing with. You may never know the truth. Some people just aren't honest about who they are. Tarra on the other hand is.

    She exposed who was too ashamed to write her own name on Tarra's blog. Now you two are just out of control because the harrasment has been exposed. You two act like elementary school bullies... you know when they grow up they never amount to anything.

    I hope you find whatever it is that you need to make you happy. I wish you and your family the best. A healthy mind, body, and spirit.

    I can't be hateful or hurtful to you or Georgia because, I actually feel for the the two of you. I know what you are going through. PCOS is a tough thing to deal with and it brings out the worst in some. It happened to me too.

    I am so over the drama mostly because honestly, it doesn't matter. I think it is because I am so calm any more and I feel so good. Just to feel something besides uncontrolable anger... spite... I can almost bet that this isn't really you. I bet you are a really cool, loving person. Someone that your child looks to and smiles at. Much like Tarra children and the one on the way smile and love her.

    Take good care of yourself and I wish you the best in finding your way out of the darkness.

    Tulin

     
  • At 10:19 AM, Blogger AmyS said…

    All any of us can do is be responsible for our own being in the world. We cannot control how others treat us, we can only control our own reactions and how we move on. I am so proud of Tarra for 1) being so open about her thoughts and feelings here, 2) taking up for herself and 3) putting up her hand and saying "no more" to the negativity of others.

    This is a space of healing, love, and personal power. And to anyone trapped in negativity...we can only wish them well on their journey and move on our own path.

    Kudos to you Tarra for rising above it all...and for proving once again what a special person you are. ~~~BIG HUGS~~~

    P.S. ...and despite your odd deoderant fetish...I find you almost entirely normal... :-p

     
  • At 11:18 AM, Blogger Branden said…

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  • At 11:19 AM, Blogger Branden said…

    odd deoderant fetish? I can't wait to hear this story! HA!

     
  • At 11:28 AM, Blogger TracyDK said…

    what I love is, that they don't bother to look at those of us who aren't even doing the new dawn thing and are still welcome. Hmmmm, makes you wonder doesn't it? We all know I'm not following the elimination diet, and I'm not taking the test (at least anytime soon) and I'm not treated badly on the forums. Everyone saw that I TRIED the diet, and that from my few days experiment I KNEW there was something to it. What's wrong with changing your eating habits a little as an experiment? Hell, we do that all the time when we CRAVE something. We can always go back to what we were doing before. It isn't like you have no choice in the matter. All it would take on either of their parts would be the attempt. And if they had an open mind it would work or not, and then they could base their judgements on that, rather than saying "it's a scam they want my $1500." When in reality if it were truly a scam they'd just say, you have to have this test, rather than, here's a HARD but FREE way to do this very thing. Some people really make me wonder.

     

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